Assessments and MBTI

The following is from a post Mike put out to his Inner Circle:

These articles are pushed out every so often as each person who pushes them out has their own model to promote and invariably find it difficult to assess why they would come out opposite on an MBTI, which for me is often easy to explain @F-L-O-W… especially if one is moving through stages of want and need.  Often I find people answer the self-report during various stages of their own confusion about who they are and what they want.

The MBTI deserves a lot of criticism, but what a marvelous model to help us understand things that no other assessment can provide.

I like using a portfolio as each model has something to offer and something lost. And piecing together the puzzle of who we are is important part of the process @F-L-O-W.

Thanks for sharing the article, and POV, Pat and Russ!

I’ve written some about Pink’s Pop Psychology as has Reiss, and of course generalization @BS across any model has diminishing returns.

If anyone thinks having a call to discuss this article in light of the contentions brought forward by the author, I can explain a number of the issues including his opposite rating (especially for INTJ, by the way, one of the most “imaginative” types, hehe).

At this point, I’ve never really been able to discover who INTJs are anyway, as we have a number of this rarest type (Jung was INTJ) on this list, and they are “special”. <g>



The article can be found at


One more idea:

I have found in my almost 2 decades of using assessments, that people who criticize the assessments most, don’t understand them.

I have found in my experience, that ONLY a few people can actually identify the dominant function in their MBTI Type Dynamics, which goes to show that in a lot of cases, people who criticize something don’t really understand it fully enough to make the criticism.

This doesn’t mean the MBTI doesn’t have issues, especially as used by MOST (literal) practitioners.  For those of us who value the input provided by the MBTI, most of which can DIRECTLY predict the Big 5 results — and vice a versa — meaning that the MBTI is as valid as the Big 5 (one can predict the results of the other — something which the author failed to mention!), we find the MBTI useful.

If you search MBTI and Big 5, you will see a LOT of criticism for the MBTI, and it’s justified if people think the MBTI is used for prediction. It is not… anymore than most other assessments.

If used for self-knowledge, the MBTI can provide extremely valuable insights into the perspectives that we take and how we take them, as well as a myriad other ideas that come from the information.

I will say this, that the standard 100 question survey is not as valuable to us as the Step II, which has a lot more questions and a lot more specific information, which is very useable in helping us understand how our views of things are formed and manipulated for filters and bias — specifically.

I’m convinced we have more to gain than lose if we include the MBTI data in our self-knowledge journey.  So I’ll keep recommending it, as well as the free Big 5 that is available online!


NOTE: In our course called Living at FLOW, we give you access to 8 different assessments and when you take them and send the results to Mike, he will give you feedback on the meaning derived from those assessments.  This alone is worth many times more that what you will pay for the course.


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Playing Small

“There is no passion to be found in playing
small — settling for a life that is less than
the one you are capable of living.”

—Nelson Mandela: South African anti-apartheid revolutionary who served as President of South Africa

Gary’s thoughts to Mike:

The part that I have trouble with is the last 3 words, “…capable of living.”  Would that be @F-L-O-W if “capable” was defined by the person saying/thinking the phrase?  I know in most cases when someone reads that, they may think based on what society says/thinks one should be capable of doing.

Mike’s response:

The whole quote is BS [Blank Slate] because it defines or assumes a common standard.  All of us need to play smaller.  We have somehow gotten brainwashed about more!!

Some will emerge bigger.  If someone has to cajole you as Mandela does, then maybe you should consider what that really means to the cajoled as well as the cajoler!!

Gary’s follow-up:

The more and more I work at understand how to Live at FLOW the more I realize [I hope] that Living at FLWO means accepting each of us as we are.  We are all born perfect, yet with our own ways of seeing the world.

Looking at the quote again and considering Mike’s response, when Mandela said  “There is no passion to be found in playing small…” he can only reference what that means for him, as another person may be very passionate about “playing small”  and even the phrase “playing small” can be defined differently by different people based on their own point of reference.

So the quote may work great for Nelson Mandela and not work so well for anyone else.

There is no “one size fits all” and when we each stop trying to project our values and philosophy onto others, we may find our world a much better place to live.

Please comment and give your perspective as that is how we may each grow in our own individual journey through life.

For me, “Living @F-L-O-W” is helpi9ng me to see my world in a whole new way.